Top roping ukc forums. Tryfan Bach is a bit too long.
Top roping ukc forums. In reply to cows: :-D GLyn is suggesting that you chose the title to include the words "top roping" in an effort to piss people off. Climbs are max 10m. Hardly surprising: good, fat (usually) single-pitch falls with easy-to-set-up anchors at the top. I've never seen much difference between leading a Exactly! It is safe for leading. There was another thread criticising someone top roping in the peak district so people (me included) may have thought your part was a wind up. what some would call bottom-roping). A dog walker wanted to know what the route was called. d off with this, and did anybody else encounter this whilst out their? I will never visit Krokan again. Evening All, I'm looking for a guide (human or written!) to Scrambling / Top Roping routes in the Peaks. I think your best options for sport climbing in Swanage are Winspit, Hedbury Quarry and Dancing ledge. OP Falcon 07 Jun 2001 Hi everyone I've just learned top roping on indoor walls. Burns 15 Feb 2007 In reply to the usual suspects: Use less twists for furrier ropes. Can anyone suggest any easy slabs where my kids can have some fun on a top rope, and we're not going together in anyone's way? They've climbed indoors, and outdoors once or twice with Scouts. I've been climbing for a while now and due to lack of partners i'm interested in getting into some solo top roping. 8. In reply to Connolly8684: I guess you mean top-roping from the bottom of the crag (i. Quarried sandstone with some impressive aretes, corners and walls. Generally I like them (much easier then re-threading) and happily lower off them. So we are looking for a guide to get us on the hill for a couple of days of roped scrambling or top-roped climbing. I would want it where the top is accessible to set up the anchor and there are fixed anchor points (ideally) or at least trees to which safe anchors can be anyone know the best (ie cheapest that will run through a belay device) rope for top-roping on southern sandstone presumably can be a static rope Strikes me that instead of calling for more easy bolted routes we as a climbing society should be more accepting of top-roping as a reasonable way to enjoy a climb. e. I'm looking for a crag where i can set up a few top ropes near Edinburgh or North Northumberland and want to hear from anyone who has some recommendations, as i'm not too familiar with the area. In return you'll be entered into our prize draw, which includes a whole host of amazing products!! In reply to GSM123: A couple of good top roping venues are: Nesscliffe - possibly best crag in the world, if not shropshire. Best would be recommendations for a person or company. Are they safe for top-roping? I'd have thought not (the difference being that when top-roping the rope is slacker), and have always placed quickdraws I might have a week in the Lakes coming-up soon with my family. My question is why would anyone be top roping a perfectly good crag with sound rock suitable for placing leader protection? In reply to helix: Frankly I find it staggering that anyone even contemplates top roping Brown Slab. In reply to bendurance: The whole idea of an "alternative" to top-roping is cobblers. The cause for the small falls is rope stretch, which in my opinion is pretty much Of course top-roping is a stock in trade of Outdoor centres/courses where risk must be minimised for acceptability in education (Not something I entirely subscribe to) and it is a common practise at climbing walls. The apoklaypto quarry in Bristol, if anyone knows it, is the blueprint I want really: not super high (almost highball boulder level), tree anchor at top for easy top rope setup, good After that I am looking to start outdoor top roping (partnered and then maybe solo depending on how it goes) and was hoping for some recommendations for optimal venues in the uk. The only caveat is that the topic shouldn't be too trivial, keep the really light-hearted climbing stuff Down the Why not go out with people who lead rather than top rope? It isn't that top roping is immoral. Am I the only one that gets totally f. . However I really wonder how are you going to top-rope if you don't have someone to Occasionally when I have shunted routes on a top rope, I've recorded them just a top ropes and in the "partner" box added "my shunt". I have a set of Beal Cobra II half ropes and don't really want to buy a single rope. There were top ropes everywhere, and it was all Brits. OP Falcon 07 Jun 2001 Somewhere that isn't too far from Worcestershire, and really does have a top-roping is OK policy similar to the one that Southern Sandstone has is Grinshill near Wem in Shropshire. What are people's thoughts on using a single large (fridge size or larger) boulder as an anchor point for top rope and abseiling in? I am going to Sennen next week on holiday, but would like to climb there once or twice, I don't have any trad gear, but have lots of slings and rope so I am planning to loop slings round, or tie a static line around boulders. During top-roping the belayer is attached to anchors at the top of the crag. Then progressed to seconding, then leading. The only caveat is that the topic shouldn't be too trivial, keep the really light-hearted climbing stuff Down the What are people's thoughts on using a single large (fridge size or larger) boulder as an anchor point for top rope and abseiling in? ROCKTALK - A general forum for topics relating to climbing. Obviously I cant get a bunch of 8 year old leading, so are there any areas of Brimham that would be suitable for easy top roping for small children and not piss too many locals off? Would probably set up 1 or That is just so massively untrue Mick, firstly it was far rarer, you could go weeks without seeing anybody top-rope, and if somebody was top roping a route that people wanted to do a proper ascent of, they would get an earfull. So we are looking for a guide to get us on My 8 year old brother who has never climbed before wants me to take him and some friends 'proper climbing' i. ROCKTALK - A general forum for topics relating to climbing. Grade-wise I think you can get up to 6a/6b ish on an in-situ rope (was last there in about November so this may have changed. I could be completely wrong but surely seconding is comparable with top roping as you are being belayed from above with the added complication of removing protection as you ascend. Both these crags will have midge in the wrong weather conditions, so that will also be a factor. Evening all, I am looking into top rope soloing in the future and from looking at the fountain of knowledge (or maybe not) Youtube there are various setups for soloing. On the label, you get the number of leader falls it will take, but does it say how long you can rest on it whilst top roping? No. - How do you lead? Placing gear, rope technique, belay technique. Obviously top roping would be best to maximise the short time we have available (we don't even know at this stage if our companions like I have a 30m Beal Rando 8mm twin rope that I use for lowering down short sections when canyoning - does anyone know whether this rope is suitable for use on its own for top roping, normally on sloping slabs where no large sudden falls are expected? Obviously, only on short routes! However these are sport crags and don’t have easy access from the top, so you’d need to acquire the tech and skills to safely setup the top ropes ground up. I can't really think of an obvious way to convey to other crag users that you are only top-roping because you've previously done the route properly and you're being extra careful. The sandstone is preferable for the summer months. e with ropes at Brimham Rocks for his birthday. Top-roping should only be allowed with the use of a piece of carpet under the rope at the top (where appropriate) to prevent 'grooves'. If top-roping is resorted to in any other cases, climbing probably isn’t the sport for you. Decent access and good anchors preferred. Fair play to those who used to climb this trad, even using my imagination I was struggling to work out where to stick gear on some of the routes. Top roping is fine for headpoints etc at most any level (mod - HVS is perhaps a little excessive to call it headpointing unless its a full on solo. seems to make sense. Top roping classics such as Sunset Slab is poor form. With all of the talk against top roping have I got this completely wrong? In reply to DEvans: The reason top-roping cannot be considered the most pure form of climbing is that you have to have been to the top already! Makes it somewhat artificial. But what i dont understand is why some Traditional climbers are able to Top rope more extreme routes before Trad ascent, without I was going to take my niece and nephew to Craig y Tonnau at the weekend but it looks a bit hot so need somewhere out of the sun and breezier, any suggestions. I'd love to just set up the rope and climb/work a really hard route all day long! i've read many different threads and heard of many devices like the microcender, mini traxion,shunt,etc. ive decided on buying my own gear however i cant help but think that ive forgotten something. The discussion of sport-climbing accidents has got me thinking about the Ram's Head lower-offs installed at Horseshoe and elsewhere. How easy is it to move onto outdoors like stanage? Also, are there anchors there? What are they like? Thanks for your replies in advance! Mike Just bought a 9. Of course top-roping is a stock in trade of Outdoor centres/courses where risk must be minimised for acceptability in education (Not something I entirely subscribe to) and it is a common practise at climbing walls. Anyone else getting as bored as I am with this whole top-roping thing? We've got anti-threads, pro-threads, ethical threads, threads about making posters discouraging it, threads about having votes, and now even a thread abou the bloody threads . How can that be justified? So given that leading is totally different from both seconding and top roping, I sincerely would like to know why you see seconding and top roping being different ethically for the person doing them. This May half term we are up there for a week. Top roping sucks, but it doesn't stop the Americans putting up routes over there as 'top rope ascent only'. If you're belaying from the top then that is no different to bringing a second up on a dynamic rope anyway. Hi all, Im looking for any info on good sandstone (or other rock type) quarries that have top roping possibility ideally trees at the top for anchors. The climbs will need to be in the lower grades as i've managed to ge my girlfriend itching to start climbing. I'm a competent indoor climber/boulderer. I would like to input MY view of top roping and invite you to do the same. Why not go out with people who lead rather than top rope? It isn't that top roping is immoral. I've done it some what in the past, particularly for thin, early season ice climbing where there are no roofs to clear that could lead to that catching problem, but generally I've just found finding a climbing I am going to Gordale for the weekend to meet up with some friends. Tryfan Bach is a bit too long. Which of course, it's not. ;-P I did originally think the same until I read your post. It's interesting that Petzl now say that, I think when I bought my shunt (mid-90s) it was sold as usable for self top roping. This is the place to debate things like specific routes, ethics, grading, styles of ascent, top roping, headpointing, bouldering, bolts, the latest news and anything else that you have an opinion on. It's that, given the amount of top roping by beginners currently going on in the peak, every climber who needn't top rope, shouldn't. AL is quite right to point this out, the more people that top-rope routes, the more it is presented as de rigeur. Top-roping should not be banned now, but should be banned in x number of years time. In reply to Will Hunt: I think that top roping takes all the sting out of a climb and reduces it to an exercise in gymnastics. However, there seems to be a lot of flak on this forum over Top Roping. Of course it is true that top ropes make a climb more accsessible to those who do not have the the necessary skill level and to larger numbers of people. What is slightly unclear to me is if a Petzl Micro Traxion can be used on its own if JUST top roping? Or, and probably advisable if a back up should be added also. Top-roping seems a reasonable way to learn but not on something that you're going to polish up by flapping about on. however i'd prefer to use a grigri as i can also use it for belaying with This is because top roping is looked down upon by many who believe that free climbing is the only acceptable method. There is no guarentee it is good for top roping. Top roping also blocks up the route for people wanting to In reply to Gaz lord: Started off believing routes below VS were not worth bothering with and had never thought about top roping. We go at least weekly. If you’re familiar with southern sandstone you should know the tekkers for protecting the rock. Mostly easy access to the top, usually with convenient trees for anchors. the list i have thought about is: -harness -belay device -screwgate crabs x6 Hi, guys. Yes, again. Thus, beginners get the idea that experienced climbers don't top rope. Organised top roping often requires a recce, informal top roping is more suck it and see when you get there. Obviously this only works when top-roping, plus the caveat of the climber can't usually reach the top hold with a tight rope due to the twists, and it doesn't do the ropes much good. Auchenstarry or Neilston seem alone way to go just to get access to the top I've just moved to Qatar where there is a small amount of outdoor climbing, however, it is top roping only. It also lets the climber top-out, which is more satisfying than being lowered back down. My leg is still hurting from my near death top roping experience and that was last week! richardh 10 May I second the above advice about Corby's - don't top-rope there, ever. Only top roped one route in my life and that was the Knock at Burbage South. Top The rock has to last an eternity of climbers and top roping doesnt help. Please can anyone suggest a suitable location near Gordale/Malham where I will be able to take half a dozen beginners and easily set up a top rope (belayed from Mr-Cowdrey 16 Jul 2009 ive got quite abit of experience top roping but that was with other peoples gear. You can vote for one or more choices, using the number (s). That is just so massively untrue Mick, firstly it was far rarer, you could go weeks without seeing anybody top-rope, and if somebody was top roping a route that people wanted to do a proper ascent of, they would get an earfull. Bottom-roping is an awful term that, by the logic of the true meaning of top-roping, would mean having the rope anchored on the ground, which would either be leading or extremely dangerous! I don't see a problem with top-roping on slabs, vertical routes and gentle overhangs, but at many 'sport' crags the routes don't have viable topouts where you could set up a top rope, or they are way too steep to make top-roping a viable possibility. How about trying to solve the top-roping issue once and for all? - Where can you safely lead? Using guidebooks to determine safe routes to lead easily. For this year's Dad-and-daughter weekend we're planning to go camping somewhere with crags where we can do some top-roping, with stakes at the top for easy belay setup. Hello all At a climbing gym, is it ok to top rope off only one screw gate carabiner? Or should it always be through two with opposing gates? Thanks for your advice. Could that person please contact me. And the thing is, someone headpointing / top-roping a HS has exactly as much right to be there, on that route, as a lead climber has, regardless of what anyone else has says about lead climbers having priority. Surely if you are leading on your own After that I am looking to start outdoor top roping (partnered and then maybe solo depending on how it goes) and was hoping for some recommendations for optimal venues in But to answer your question at face value, assuming against all odds that you're actually not trolling, top-roping means fixing anchors at the top of a route, and running a rope Just think of it in terms of 'top roping from above' and 'top roping from below', referring to the position of the belayer. - Grade explanation, using the adjectival grade to find suitable leads for your standard. 7. I presume several of the groups were instructors with clients new to ice-climbing. Its also the fact that top roping is often synomonous with beginners and traipsing mud over holds and polishing holds and overchalking. There are a few The guidebook is the definitive source of information bar actually going there, but even that won't tell you if its top rope friendly; providing info like that doesn't really fit in well with the UK climbing ethic. 6. For future reference a lot of people on here feel top roping is a dirty word although I have never had a problem with outdoor top roping provding it is done sensitively (ie don't have it on In reply to TWINKLETOES: Krokan's been well-known as an area where a lot of top-roping goes on since before Rjukan was popular with Brits. My Forums UKC Rockfax Rocktalk Hilltalk Starting Out Bouldering Expedition & Alpine Destinations Walls & Training Gear Crag Access Politics Off Belay Running Biking Skiing Winter Climbing Photography Culture Bunker Lost & Found Lifts & Partners For Sale/Wanted Premier Posts In reply to EuanGowling1: Agag’s slab area at the Dewerstone has many convenient trees above it and is often used for top roping beginners. Top-roping should not be banned at all. I know that top roping with an anchor that drops over a sharp edge really deteriorates the rope, and wondering what are the best DIY jobs to combat this? Couple of new "assisted braking" belay devices coming to market imminently, has anyone tried either of them yet? Do they pay out slack to a lead climber better than the existing GriGri (2019)? A couple of reviews are saying the Neox is Top roping isn't bad for the rock as such: - overuse, bad footwork and dirty footware is what damages the rock. I think there are fixed bolts at the top of the sea cliffs. UKC Forums - Top roping. It has been a loooong time since I have climbed, but I take my kids to the wall in Warrington and they are keen to do some "real" climbing. One, there is plenty of scope for top roping, though due to the rock being sharp and slabby you will definitely need to extend over the edge and will probably get a reasonable amount of rope wear anyway. I don't think Peel Crag and Crag Lough would be brilliant either - I've only climbed there once, but off the top of my head you'd have to place gear for a lot of belays. The latter is what is also known as 'bottom roping'. There shouldn't need to be an alternative as top-roping shouldn't be a valid choice in the first case (apart from groups of non-climbers well away from popular areas and head-pointing beyond the limit of what is currently onsightable). S Andrew 13 Oct 2018 In reply to Andy Top roping allows you - as a beginner or wall-bred climber - to get comfortable on real rock, without potentially getting you into a life (or limb) threatening situation, and - in my case - has allowed me to have more feel for rock and am now doing some leads I learned by top-roping because I couldn't afford a rack and didn't want to have to always climb with someone who did. Can anyone recommend particular easy routes (M or D) in the peaks (Stanage or Burbage preferred but we can go further afield if necessary) with simple top-roping potential? I'm confident and competent enough belaying, and leading sport stuff, but my only tradtoproped has been with someone else in charge of building anchors, some of which seem And the thing is, someone headpointing / top-roping a HS has exactly as much right to be there, on that route, as a lead climber has, regardless of what anyone else has says about lead climbers having priority. Crystal clear weather, snow on every peak southwards I was only top roping, but glad that I heeded the guidebook - it's more of a trad route with bolts where you'd hope to place gear (if that makes sense). 8mm Dynamic climbing rope and looking to preserve it well for outdoor use. Significant damage has already been done, and the guidebook specifically warns about top-roping there. I . If you want to set up a bottom rope at some of the other places mentioned, it is possible but you have to know what you’re doing - a length of static rope and rope protectors would be quite I saw a reference to top roping under a different thread concerning a possible accident at The Roaches. Two (and more importantly) the owner of one of the houses nearby was concerned about the directions given in the guidebook for In reply to andy farnell: Top roping is a way of teaching newcomers bad habits (don't get me going on grigris, figure of eights, climbing wall grades etc) and giving them the wrong impression about the sport (its cool/safe/fun etc). It was here that I thought that a the ethics of top-roping have been vigorously discussed in this forum since I joined it, if you want lots of details then do a search in the "search the message boards" part of the site. Is it advisable to climb with these in a top rope (bottom belay) situation? Should I use a single half In reply to Jimmy D: It has a few top-ropes up but not on the really big wall, as far as I can remember. Coming right to the point Some friends top-roped the first pitch and corner continuation of Valkyrie @ the Roaches, thinking nought of it, my wife belayed me on the rope at some point and someone came out of the woodwork and started spouting about top-roping and would we give way to Trad climbers if they appeared. How can that be justified? If the people you see are happy top-roping, then that's their choice and you have to live with it, just as they do. 1 jezb1 10 Jul 2025 In reply to Tyler: At the Roaches I was top roping an overhang as it was going dark yesterday,Sunday. After all it's always been part of climbing in Britain, even though it's rarely been seen as an achievement in its own right at the cutting edge of the sport. My daughters - aged 7 and 5 - are competent boulderers, limited to grades 0-4 (in old money) by their reach only. QED! You must source a special top roping rope or use 11mm. If the people you see are happy top-roping, then that's their choice and you have to live with it, just as they do. Burns 15 Feb 2007 UKC Readership Survey 2023 Please can you help us by filling out our User Survey. I'd say windgather (I rarely have problems setting up anchors there), birchen edge, castle naze (local crag), yarncliffe (trees handle placed for anchors), lawrencefield are my go to places when we are top roping. Surely this isn't what winter climbing is about. Just a wee rant, but whilst I was out in Rjukan I arrived quite late in the day, so decided to get a couple of routes done at Krokan. Does anyone know if any of the crags in Cheddar Gorge have stakes? I also read that there's an access agreement that prevents climbing in the area from 1st July. Thanks. I don't think it's unreasonable for a sport to be elitist in the sense that a complete novice should be discouraged from f*cking it up for more competent people (I'd consider my self to be a novice). I get the impression, especially from the more extreme 'Trad Climbers' that Top roping is a real no no (mainly from comments on the forum), and for reasons that I fully understand and do support in SOME INSTANCES. Top-roping and bottom-roping are set up from the top of the climb without someone first having led the route. This is my logic: Most injuries occur when top rope climbing are caused by short falls hurting ankles either by landing back on the floor or hitting small ledges. My leg is still hurting from my near death top roping experience and that was last week! richardh 10 May Exactly! It is safe for leading. iii) Top roping is just like leading minus the danger (and therefore much of the fun you could argue) and therefore surely using the English grade minus the danger (or adjectival as some insist on calling it) grade is spot on? iv) "V grades are more suited to grading an overall problem than tech" sorrypardonwhat? That makes little or no sense. ) Also they've got a couple of auto-belays. But I don't have a problem if other people wish to do Trad Climbing Master's Edge, E7, Millstone Edge Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing Oct 2 Judgement Day, E7, Fair Head Rory_Cummings_NI Sep 30 Crème de la Crème, E6, Yarncliffe Quarry And the thing is, someone headpointing / top-roping a HS has exactly as much right to be there, on that route, as a lead climber has, regardless of what anyone else has says I've got a photo somewhere that we took at the top of Snowdon after topping out on the central Trinity at sunset. Hey, Just wanted to gather peoples thoughts on using a semi static rope for top rope climbing (both top and bottom belay). It's one of the first places I started climbing on a week's course at under the instruction of the late Lakeland Guide Jim Cameron in the 1960s and the question of top roping never entered the equation. As to banning top roping outside - now we are getting somewhere! the ethics of top-roping have been vigorously discussed in this forum since I joined it, if you want lots of details then do a search in the "search the message boards" part of the site. Top-roping should only be used when you’re thinking of leading the route very shortly (and if it’s a couple of grades above your best on-sight) or when new-routing. zxiucr hzv xqwfzod hztwqe lnmry ltmbk kdwafuq mgqux bafhen dpmou